[NukeNet] [no-new-nukes-yall] Duke caught californicating ohio

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Roger,
 
I think we might be referring to two different models. Both valid and  
valuable. 
 
My original response to your comments about needing to call more attention  
to uranium front end problems and the need for a comprehensive full (cradle to  
grave) profile of energy generators like nukes was to send along  what we had 
developed in our efforts.
 
We are past models in Florida. We need action and  implementation 
efficiencies and clean energy options are real and only need  to be implemented. No more 
experimental pilot programs for clean energy and  efficiency while they spend 
12 billion dollars on building 2200 MW of  Nuke. 
 
The time is now. Not forty to sixty years from now. Let's go.
 
Your point about examples from other states is solid and we have presented  
many examples of what is being done in other states but in relation to another  
point you made earlier: each state is different and unless examples are  
translated  to relate specifically to the state being discussed the policy  makers 
have an easy time dismissing what is presented.  
 
NEW RANT As I previously mentioned in my earlier rant  we will be presenting 
a Florida specific case for efficient resource  management and clean renewable 
energy vs Two New  Nuclear units January 30, 31 and February 1st. We will be  
representing ourselves as FP&L rate payers and are the only intervenors  
opposing the nukes to date. We wish some of the others who have an interest  in 
this case and claim to be helping intervenors would actually intervene  or have 
the people they are associated with intervene themselves and stop  claiming 
that they are helping intervenors when they are not. We know they are  not we 
are the only intervenors against this project. 
 
This is mind boggling since it is the first nuke to go in front of  a state 
regulatory agency in many years. Where are the grass roots  anti nuke people. 
Aside from the people I mentioned earlier we have heard from  no one with 
offers to help. There are always plenty of people willing to tell us  what to do 
but few willing to help us do what we know to do. But I would have  thought the 
sustainability community from all perspectives would want to be a  part of 
this challenge to the FP&L Nukes. Rant Over 
 
Hey, if you know of any independent grass roots eco's who are good  readers 
with a knowledge base on renewable energy or financial  analysis or efficiency 
programs or DSM and have a little time to  read some interesting stuff and 
then have a phone conversation about it with me  let me know.
 
We're fine tuning our plan of engagement. Another legal no strings  attached 
professional would really be helpful for some additional coaching  on specific 
points of procedure. I don't want to wear out the ones that have  been 
helpful to date and need to ask some questions.
We might not win this but it would be foolish to let it pass without  
challenge and it will serve as a great precursor to the following hearings on  
environmental and Federal issues.
 
Analysis and design should never end but action is what gets us there.  
Getting late,
 
Later,
Bob Krasowski
239-963-6285-C
239-434-0786-H
   
"If you don't stand for something you'll fall for anything". DR. MLK
 
   
 
In a message dated 1/20/2008 9:04:21 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
rogerh at energy-net.org writes:

kind of  confused by the response.  Renewable energy programs have for much 
of the  last 25 years benefited from model programs to show people how these 
programs  work in real life.  

Am I hearing that this isn't  appropriate?

25 years ago, anti-nuclear people worked closely with  renewable energy 
proponents.  They were the ones that wanted  demonstration models.  Your original 
list you sent to me was fine.   My response wasn't meant to be "Add this to the 
list" but ideas for you to  think about for your list.  

You might want to look at the CEC  full cycle investigations that Rochelle 
mentioned.  When you are making  proposals to state agencies, it never hurts to 
have references to what other  states have done.  Anybody hear of other states 
that are doing real time  investigations that include environmental, safety, 
security and economic  issues?

If you are making a formal presentation before a state agency,  looking at ot
her models will help you structure your own presentation!  







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