[NukeNet] [no-new-nukes-yall] Anti-nukers a root cause of the climate crisis ??? A call to more energy justice collaboration!

Fri Jan 25 18:34:31 EST 2008

Wow!  So what was FP&L's previous estimates?  These are the numbers that 
will drive Wall Street elsewhere!

What design are they using? Westinghouse's?

Those numbers tops AEP's estimate of $4-5K this last August.  From $1.2K 
to $8K in one year, before they've even started!

The idea of expanding the community of opposition is interesting. 
Wouldn't it be nice if there was a larger forum that all energy 
activists could go to talk?  Anybody know of such a place?

Not that everybody should or could join 5 or 6 other lists, but it 
sounds like people keeping an eye on the national energy focus could use 
a larger network to exchange strategic discussions with.

McCarthy sounds like the character that could be the source of the 
recent claim that we get more radiation from a banana than we do from 
nuclear power...

r

Mary Olson wrote:
>
> The excerpt below is from a web page by a Stanford professor emeritus, 
> John McCarthy and includes commentary dated as recently as Jan 03, 
> 2008... it is the TOP "hit"  on a Google search for "nuclear cost per 
> kW" and is full of little gems...I have pasted in an excerpt (and I 
> added the "red" emphasis).
>
> On the issue of costs, John completely ignores the news from Florida 
> Power and Light that it now estimates its cost for 2 new reactors at 
> Turkey Point to be $12 -- $18 Billion (See: "FPL's plans for two 
> nuclear reactors at Turkey Point draw mixed reviews" South Florida 
> Sun-Sentinel,  January 10, 2008 -- sadly no longer posted on-line -- 
> it was posted to this list by Joy Ezel -- thank you Joy! -- I can 
> forward you the text...)  So it works out to ~ $5400 -- $8000 per kW 
> (construction cost only) for a new nuke -- Eye-opening that Sci Am 
> quotes $4000 per kW for PV, installed! see: 
> http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=a-solar-grand-plan 
> <http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=a-solar-grand-plan> (that one IS 
> still on line!)... no fuel cost, no big decommissioning cost...no 
> waste (except for when we don't bother to capture the solar energy 
> contribution!)
>
> John has some interesting allegations about anti-nuclear activism and 
> its costs. I am always complimented when ALL the historical nuclear 
> cancellations and nuke shut-downs are attributed to folks going out 
> and demonstrating -- apparently the locals closed TMI Unit 2 ??? SO of 
> course he blames anti-nukers for the industry's mistake in investment 
> in nuclear plants that were then canceled -- What is new is that in 
> John's eyes the anti-nuclear movement is to blame for Global Warming 
> as well....!  I am bringing this out because I don't think this guy is 
> very original -- so this is opinion that is, no doubt being promoted 
> behind the scenes widely!
>
> So here is my call: It is time to make common cause with folks 
> fighting coal plants, green-fields gas plants, mountain-top removal, 
> energy justice issues, climate justice and AT THE SAME TIME standing 
> firm on nukes NOT letting nukes qualify for carbon credits...as we all 
> continue to promote SOLAR, EE, WIND,etc... -- if you have not done it 
> yet -- please do check out IEER / Dr. Arjun Makhijani's Carbon-Free, 
> Nuclear-Free: A Roadmap for US Energy Policy (book in entirety is 
> on-line at no charge -- but I recommend you start with the summary in 
> the SDA newsletter -- also available on-line http://www.ieer.org 
> <http://www.ieer.org> ) Arjun has given us a wonderful place to re-set 
> the dialogs on our energy future! 
>
> There are some astounding analysis soon to come out on how the Warner 
> Lieberman carbon-credit scheme (pending federal legislation) would 
> "bless" the nuke gang -- watch for that news...John McCarthy 
> acknowledges that the nuclear revival he envisions (see the full text) 
> will make the Renewable Energy business "losers."
> --Mary Olson, NIRS Southeast
>
> PS July 2008 -- climate activists of the get-out-and-demonstrate 
> variety are calling for a week of action -- last year we did the 
> Southeast Convergence for Climate Action that successfully brought 
> sustainability, coal, climate and anti-nuke activists together for a 
> week of cross-issue and wonderfully inter-generational exchange... 
> drop me a line if you want more info -- or help networking to similar 
> interests in YOUR area!
>
> http://www-formal.stanford.edu/jmc/progress/nuclearnow.html 
> <http://www-formal.stanford.edu/jmc/progress/nuclearnow.html>
>
>
>   NUCLEAR NOW
>
> (this is an exceprt: )
>
>
>       Winners and losers
>
> A switch to nuclear energy will cause there to be economic winners and 
> losers. The potential losers will be tempted to resist the process 
> politically.
>
> The winners:
>
> Of course, the nuclear industry itself will be the big winner as will 
> the construction industry. The public in general will win too, but the 
> general welfare has only a small and intermittent political constituency.
>
> In previous substantial economic shifts, the losers usually had to 
> fend for themselves. It may be more cost-effective for society to 
> compensate the losers rather than just defeat their resistance. In my 
> opinion, the US is rich enough to give substantial compensation to the 
> losers from the transition. This applies both to the workers and to 
> the stockholders and managers of the old industries.
>
> The losers:
>
> The coal industry will lose. It will be reduced to a fraction of its 
> present size. Fortunately, the process of coal miners having to get 
> other jobs is well advanced. At the end of WWII there were 700,000 
> coal miners; now there are only 70,000 underground miners and an equal 
> number of surface miners. The use of coal for making steel will 
> probably survive.
>
> The oil industry will lose, but it doesn't have so many production 
> employees and neither does natural gas. On the other hand, these 
> industries have great political influence.
>
> It is not clear to me whether the environmental protest industry that 
> succeeded in paralyzing the development of nuclear power in the US 
> from the 1970s to the present counts as an economic loser. It seems to 
> me that they haven't been putting much into protesting nuclear energy 
> recently, and anyway can readily shift targets.
>
> The alternative energy industry will lose. This industry hasn't 
> generated an appreciable amount of energy but has absorbed much 
> Government money, and has absorbed much research energy in the 
> academic world. I suppose they should be compensated also.
>
> Needless to say, none of the losers should get all they will feel 
> entitled to.
>
> Q. Which countries will will lose most from delay?
>
> A. Most likely it will be the backward (alias underdeveloped) 
> countries. When the supply of oil is reduced and the prices go up, 
> either because of shortage or because the advanced countries see acute 
> danger from CO2 emissions, the backward countries will have the 
> biggest difficulty in switching to nuclear. The advanced countries 
> should help them switch.
>
> Q. How much has anti-nuclear sentiment cost the world already?
>
> A. If the US had continued nuclear energy to the point of eliminating 
> coal for producing electricity I believe we'd have more than met the 
> Kyoto targets. There have also been a few million unnecessary deaths 
> from air pollution from coal. It would be good if someone would 
> persistently pester the environmental organizations to explain why 
> these deaths are not their fault.
>
> "The Need for Nuclear Power," by Richard Rhodes and Dennis Beller, 
> published in= the January-February 2000 issue of the journal Foreign 
> Affairs is oriented to the political community.
>
> In 2004 March a consortium of 7 companies announced that they plan to 
> go through the bureaucratic process of getting an advanced nuclear 
> reactor plant licensed by the Nuclear Regulatory Commission. Should 
> they succeed with this process, individual companies could build 
> reactors of this type with minimal bureaucratic delay. This is very 
> important, because a large part of cost of the present generation of 
> nuclear power plants was occasioned by bureaucratic delays, many of 
> which were caused by lawsuits from anti-nuclear organizations.
>
> Here's *the press releasse* 
> <http://www-formal.stanford.edu/jmc/progress/nuc-press-release.html>. 
> I made my own copy, because the urls of press releases often change.
>
>
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